22 January 2007

Tolerance and free will

I watched a fairly disturbing video revealing activities in mosques in Great Britain. Link to it here. The video was done by an undercover reporter, so the "preachers," that is imams were saying things to what they believed were just their own people. Some of the things they said are troubling, but I knew much of it was occurring anyway. It's just that seeing it live in a "religious" setting made it more real.

So disturbing thing number one is just their harsh view of democracy, women, and freedoms that we take for granted. But we sort of knew that too. I think a big difference here is we believe in tolerance even if we don't believe something is right or good for a person. We don't abhor the person but perhaps the act they do. At least ideally we tolerate.

Disturbing thing number two is that I know some of the harsh things get said because they think it is a private group. I sort of wondered if it isn't like we don't say everyone is going to miss the rapture who does X sin in front of a mixed group of people, or that we believe X is a sin, unless we think we were among friends. I've heard preachers say sort of politically incorrect things and then say, oh I'm not suppose to say that and everyone laughs. In this respect, I found the their meetings similar to ours. I found that odd to see something I recognize in a way. Though I have to follow this closely and quickly with the fact that we don't believe that people who do these sins should be tortured or brutally murdered.

One imam spoke out against homosexuality and one against watching western television. Oddly, those are issues I've heard brought up in the church too. But the difference here is we, meaning my friends who read this blog, my church, and for the most part the denomination I participate in, we believe in a free will that God respects. If God is willing to let a person choose whatever destructive lifestyle choices, I am not meant to dictate better ones to them under punishment of death. I'm also not meant to dictate what your belief in God will look like. Here we are drastically different. I think free will may be the biggest distinction we can make in our philosophical structures. Obviously, our theological structures are on different planets they are so different. We are to express the truth of God, the love of Christ and then ultimately each individual decides.

Another disturbing fact I observed was that when the news program asked people for a response to their under cover report, they simply said no it's not true. That's not the way it is at all. I'm amazed in this day of video and literature and the internet, that any group can just blatantly deny things that can be proven fact so easily. It's as though you can just spout off the politically correct jargon in a press release and that negates all the actual teachings or actions of any group.

I’m not sure where all this knowledge is taking me. How will God use this in me? I do know today I'm especially thankful for free will and what that means to our beliefs.

11 comments:

  1. Anonymous12:40 AM

    Interesting series of videos. Kind of scary too. I would be interested in knowing what proportion of Muslims take the hardliner stance versus the more moderate stance.

    There are some differences, but some of the Imams did have similar themes to some preachers that I have heard. I know just about every time I hear a Pat Robertson quote I cringe. That's not too far from some of the stuff in the videos.

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  2. Yes, I know what you mean. The extreme wahabism (sp?) is practiced mostly in Saudi, but obviously in Great Britain too. My concern is how many "moderates" like those in the video who are helping on government panels etc, are actually extremeists in sheeps clothing. How do we as outsiders know?

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  3. For a minute there, I thought I was reading one of Dust's posts. : )

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  4. Anonymous12:42 PM

    Interesting...I hadn't thought of the comparisons of thier religion and our view on tolerance and free will.

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  5. Golden - I felt like I was doing a Dust post!

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  6. Dust's blog are usually like "Seinfield". They dont' mean anything but they are funny

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  7. i was the second anonymous. I don't know why it came up that way.

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  8. Anyone who TELLS me what to believe is making a mistake

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  9. I was the second anonymous.

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  10. Argg, I mean first anonymous.

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  11. Anonymous9:10 AM

    so you say...

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