tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12272116.post115470959176866176..comments2023-04-02T09:07:15.247-05:00Comments on Denise M. Hartman: The Stained Glass Ceilingroamingwriterhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11798304569822903068noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12272116.post-1155053218394808152006-08-08T11:06:00.000-05:002006-08-08T11:06:00.000-05:00This book gave me huge insight actually. Shocked m...This book gave me huge insight actually. Shocked me. You are right about the silent one. This was a phase where women weren't allowed out much and when they got together they wanted to talk and exchange information about life. <BR/><BR/>What doesn't come through in the passage, as it is in English, is that they are saying meditate, commune with God - not shut up and be silent. The second makes me feel unworthy to be here or participate. The first is an exhortation which is what was intended and doesn't "offend" my sensibilities at all.roamingwriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11798304569822903068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12272116.post-1155046118522771192006-08-08T09:08:00.000-05:002006-08-08T09:08:00.000-05:00Forgive me if this sounds like a stereotype. I do...Forgive me if this sounds like a stereotype. I don't think it is.<BR/><BR/>I am of the opinion that the women being silent during teaching passage has something to do with the fact that many times when women get together it is a social time for many of them. This is not always a bad thing, but many want to talk about what is going on in their lives rather than listen to any teaching that might be going on. I think the problem that Paul was writing about was that some women were distracting everyone with their not-silent conversations with their friends.<BR/><BR/>Roamer, I think you are right about a lot of these passages meaning to be liberating rather than restrictive. It's a shame that we don't have a way to get first-hand knowledge of which statements are culturally based, and which transcend culture.shakedusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15380500891984359879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12272116.post-1155001563726557472006-08-07T20:46:00.000-05:002006-08-07T20:46:00.000-05:00I always wondered about the scripture that referre...I always wondered about the scripture that referred to women being silent in church. Maybe that was just a cultural thing at that time.GoldenSunrisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07028290598166885776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12272116.post-1154852917265662992006-08-06T03:28:00.000-05:002006-08-06T03:28:00.000-05:00What amazes me is that many of these things that s...What amazes me is that many of these things that sound like negatives today - were positives at their time allowing women greater freedom of worship and participation. However, the culture then was as male dominated and chose to reinterpret those passages. Even some of them, we have heard the "cultural" take on it that doesn't represent the radical deviation from societyal norms that was being proposed by Paul. <BR/><BR/>I can't explain it very well ...roamingwriterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11798304569822903068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12272116.post-1154835993180727232006-08-05T22:46:00.000-05:002006-08-05T22:46:00.000-05:00I've heard sermons on this when I was younger expl...I've heard sermons on this when I was younger explaining the cultural differences. It sounds like the study that I heard is similar to what you have read recently. It does sound like an interesting study.Thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08970992601452040058noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12272116.post-1154749137883915392006-08-04T22:38:00.000-05:002006-08-04T22:38:00.000-05:00One of my friends in college nearly made it her mi...One of my friends in college nearly made it her mission to encourage women into ministry leadership through her education. She is one of the most intelligent people I know.<BR/><BR/>This has always been a sticky issue, I think especially because many of the staunchest supporters of an "all male in ministry" mentality are women. Many passages in the Bible relating to gender have puzzled me deeply, but I know that a lot of my confusion is due to a lack of understanding the cultural context. I think the roles of deacons, and the instructions about hair, and a host of other issues would make more sense with a cultural understanding.shakedusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15380500891984359879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12272116.post-1154712062701425052006-08-04T12:21:00.000-05:002006-08-04T12:21:00.000-05:00Sounds interesting!Sounds interesting!f o r r e s thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02776851209700447994noreply@blogger.com